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the human embodiment of the arthur meme ([personal profile] vaderstan) wrote in [community profile] literaldumpsterfire2020-01-04 09:58 am

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If you direct your attention to my conspiracy theory madness below about the original intended ("true") ending for Rise of Skywalker, it's a bit obvious that I'd like to play out scenarios where Ben does, in fact, survive the movie. The awkwardness around the Resistance and the entirety of space, Rey having to struggle with her desire to keep him safe at all costs vs her want to be open with her friends. And the both of them having to deal with the weight of the fact that Leia, Luke, and Han all sacrificed themselves for Ben. And the residual C-PTSD from this entire goddamn trilogy. also what color is ur lightsaber ben

Okay seriously tho. How pissed would poe be to find out leia gave her life to that piece of shit Kylo Ren? Also every time Rey or Ben thinks "oh we can just go talk to Le---" and then that sad piano music from scrubs plays.

Sad Lonely Housewife Ben Solo. With a black frilly Apron. I'm only partially joking

I'd actually dig something where he remains dead/gone for longer than just a few seconds. Like. Leia takes a bit to reboot into "Second Birth Of My Child" metaphor. It could take a few hours or even a few days and in the mean time Rey's just collapsing in on herself about everything away from all her friends. Isolating herself and "Oh wait. what the fuck. HE'S BACK"

Planet hopping with Ben and Rey on the "how the fuck do we even restart the Jedi Order" bus!!! Maybe they steal the falcon from Lando. Unsure how to justify it. Just know I want Han's son to swoop in and take the ship back because can Lando be all that mad about it tho?

Speaking of, how the fuck would Chewbacca and Lando feel about Leia's final sacrifice? Would they help Rey smuggle Ben while the galaxy celebrates his death? Would there be time limits or stipulations? Or maybe they're the first ones to figure out what Rey is hiding and what is that confrontation like?

For scenarios which follow along with the 'theatrical'/canon ending as it were. Rey absolutely losing her shit over Ben's death and he attempts to comfort her. Unsure that will work well, but that's the fun of RP. Her questioning whether it was him or a product of her imagination. And just her absolute inability to cope with the other half of her dead.

Rey goes Dark to get Ben back. Possibly against his wishes. He wants her to move on, she can't, she refuses. Time travel is always an option for this shit. And if she's successful, would Ben realize something's wrong? And if he figured out what she did.... would he actually care?

Alternate universe theories. Like not traditional AU, but through some Force fuckery a rift between the movie's canon and the intended ending occur. Rey finds Ben in this rift and just the absolute emotional meltdown that will occur from there.

Forcebond shenanigans, ofc.
Forbidden relationship bullshit is just part of the package ig
Arranged marriage is also just A++
Also now that we know how the fuck close Ben was to turning nearly the entire fucking time finding any other canon point and just fucking the entire timeline up
Ben actually HELPING the Resistance take down Palps before yeeting himself at Rey.
Ben having to wait awkwardly 15 ft away as Finn and Poe screech at Rey about her Supreme Leader Secret and Rose is just trying to do her best for everyone

No seriously. Can we kill off C3P0 for real?????

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โœจ The True Ending โœจ


Welcome one. Welcome all. I have brought all of you here today to say that YOU WERE LIED AND DECEIVED BY THE FORCES OF HOLLYWOOD AND UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. 'How?' You ask. And yes. I shall answer. It is simple:
The ending of the Rise of Skywalker was wrong

Wait. Excuse me. WHAT THE FUCK?
You read correctly, dear friends. Someone fucked with the editing of Rise of Skywalker and it changed the entire ending of the movie. It changed the characterization of three key characters and it's clear this was against the creator's wishes. I'll be breaking this down into a few key sections. What were the changes, Why I believe these changes were made (and made last minute), and do I consider this ending more or less canon then the theatrical ending. So. JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE FRIEND

The plot changes/editing change
It's fairly simple. They changed Leia's role in the plot, this changed the entire direction of the last few minutes of the movie. Let me break the timeline down
โ€” Deathstar fight on the ocean still happens, Ben is distracted by Leia reaching out to him. She either still enters her "disappointment son" coma here, or perhaps simply just reaches out to him.
โ€” From here, the plot continues as normal. Ben and Rey both get to the sith rave separately.
โ€” Rey Dies
โ€” Ben Revives her and dies.
โ€” Leia chooses THIS MOMENT to die and give her life to her son
โ€” Ben is revived. He and Rey kiss.
โ€” Move to conclusion

WHAT EVIDENCE DO I HAVE THESE CHANGES WERE MADE (and at the last moment)
Take in note, my evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence still counts as proof
โ€” Leia's final role in the movie is insanely unclear. She also takes 12 hours to actually die or something. Again. Confusing
โ€” Ben's final words, as of this moment, are "OW". Adam Driver said he was nervous about his final dialogue in the movie to the point he stressed about it on the flight over. And. Man. IDK about you but OW seems a little unstressful to say
โ€” There was no Force Ghost Ben, a decision that is baffling story wise. It would take any competent VFX team hardly any effort to throw a ghostly adam driver next to Leia and Luke. And this would be advantageous to add to the plot if Ben was going to die, give that final bit of closure to the Skywalker fam.
โ€” Rey's near LACK of emotion over his death. Go watch her realize she has to leave Ben behind in TLJ and tell me that the difference isn't noticeable. It's completely against her character.
โ€” The weird beats of Leia going into her disappointment son coma and the other strange beats of Ben's death. Especially the fact that you only see him disappear in like. one shot.
โ€” None of the cast thought he was going to die
โ€” Wow I wonder why Adam Driver is adamant about never wanting to do star wars at this point?
โ€” Wow, why does disney keep resetting the character poll of who is the most anticipated character of this movie????
โ€” The prophecy about Ben's death is completely unnecessary at this point. If it was brought up during TFA, it's understandable to put that thread there. Instead it's in the last movie when his death seems to be a foregone conclusion???
โ€” So Rey's fine for Luke and Leia even tho she's palpatines kid, but Luke and Leia don't seem all that bothered by Ben's death??????
โ€” This was supposed to be Leia's film and complete her arc. And while I understand that there was a lack of footage to use for her, it's odd that she ended up not playing much of a role beyond "Distract Ben so he gets stabbed ig"
โ€” Every single hole in characterization for Luke, Leia, and Rey, every strange beat that didn't really make sense in Ben and Rey's fight on the ocean and during their ??? Mutual deaths???? and the some how rushed and dragged on ending can be solved by a simple solution. Occam's razor, Ben was never meant to die permanently.

โ€” The fact that there was no final dialogue for Ben after his talk with his father suggests he had something significant to say after his resurrection
โ€” The fact that they didn't have a cut of Rey absolutely LOSING HER MIND over losing to, what amounts to, the other half of her soul suggests that she was never supposed to lose him permanently
โ€” The fact that there is no Ben Ghost means that they didn't have the time to slip that in before pushing it out to theaters
โ€” The way the final scenes with Rey are shot and edited are, again, weird, off balance. It seems like it ends WAY TOO QUICKLY and far too on the nose.
โ€” no but really guys. His final words are "OW"
โ€” As for WHO changed it, because of the fact that this is clearly an edit job done at the last minute? I'm putting my money on a CEO that is above Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrhrams. I think their hands are tied ATM. This is the ending that had been planned for, this is the ending they wanted, otherwise there would not be such big holes that felt weird and dishonest to the characters. And, like, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was JJ's child, he wouldn't have done him dirty like this.\

THEATRICAL ENDING/TRUE ENDING
I'm sure opinions would be divided on which ending is canon depending on the person. The theatrical ending will be what's considered canon in the universe of star wars at large. For myself, I find it hard to deny the creators and filmmakers the right to present the story they wanted to tell. So, in that way, both endings are true for me. Though, I am biased-- both as someone who is an artist myself and someone who adores Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's character-- I like the story the film team were trying to tell over the agenda that whoever pushed for these changes had. Personally, I believe it pushes Star Wars as a universe forward into new territory rather than keep it stagnant in the same old same old that it's always been. Plus. this maintains the integrity of Luke, Leia, and Rey's characters, Ben was never forgotten, far too gone, or unloved. Leia gave him one final gift, a second chance.

That said, I'm not pushing this ending on anyone. I won't be playing it by default. I would rather ask permission or have someone else bring it up.


Sin Bin aka triggery bullshit

So no surprise. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo comes with a pile of situations that are. Questionable. this is just a short heads up section for anyone curious about what I'm willing to delve into:

- I'm a-okay playing out non/dubcon. However, this has to be discussed beforehand, especially if Kylo will be the aggressor. He's shown no sexual interest in anyone besides, Rey. He's not gonna be the weird Shoujo trope of "The troubled dude who just goes around molesting gals because he's got an itch to scratch". That ain't his MO. Rey is different because.... forcebond. However, depending on his canon point he will be more or less willing to ignore her consent. And after a certain point? He'd probably be rendered completely incapable of ignoring her consent. I imagine ForceBonds do not like when one half just kinda takes advantage of the other.

- On that note. I consider Kylo an abuse survivor. The abuse inflicted upon him was physical, emotional, and spiritual. I don't play or think of this as he was physically violated in a sexual capcity, but that his soul was constantly from the time he was even conceived until Palpatine's death. His thoughts and his desires truly were not his own, sexual desire was another way of control over him.

- I'm cool with him being taken advantage of. But expect not great results unless you some how get him to not force choke you as soon as you touch him okay

- Oh and this also means that he is prone to getting a little panicked when someone takes the reigns from him suddenly. So. JusT BE AWARE.

- if this shit ain't G for you? Please tell me and I can try to work with you.

jedied: but it's a conversation (44)

all A++ ideas tbh, good thinking Ben

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-27 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
[Just don't call her boomer, it's fine.

It was a compliment! She always sort of knew that deep down underneath the layers of asshole there was a soft Ben Solo who cursed like his parents and made a good cushion to lie on and would let her play with porgs if she asked.

Rey will sort of lie with her chin resting on her arms which are folded on his chest and eye him thoughtfully.]


I don't want you forcing anyone to do anything, but have you given it any actual consideration? Claiming your title, I mean?

[On some level she knows this might be a bad idea, but on the other... Naboo sounds like a nice place to hide for a while.]

jedied: I can see no way (27)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-27 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey realizes the absurdity of the idea. She does. She's also just trying to think reasonably practically at this point. Eventually, the Resistance isn't going to have quite as much to resist, so. With the desperation of wartime fading bit by bit, there will be those who will want to turn on him once he's offered what assistance he can in tracking down the fractured pieces of the First Order.

It would be good to have a political shield against any individual thoughts of revenge.]


I think Rose and Finn will come around to understanding, eventually.

[She sighs and glances around to see if BB-8 is anywhere in hearing range.]

Poe may be a lost cause, honestly. He'll probably stop letting me borrow BB-8 as long as you're around.

[She'll miss the little droid if that's the case, but Poe had every right to be angry with her. And he didn't entirely trust talk of the Force, so the whole dyad thing isn't going to be very convincing.]

jedied: the first to fall (3)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-27 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey is mildly amused by BB-8's insistence. It's nice to have someone else officially on her side.

She's quiet for a minute except for a small noise of enjoyment once his hands find her hair. She's thinking about it, all of it. Ben's being more reasonable than she is, which is odd, but fine. Entirely fine.]


I'm happy to answer what I can once they can ask me without devolving into a screaming match. I don't want to undermine anyone's feelings.

[She just wants her own to matter this time. Finally.]

I just want you safe.

[That last part is a small, almost-whispered confession because the thought of losing him again threatens to break her. She cannot go through the last sixteen days again. And she's not sure she can handle it if they're somehow forcibly separated like she's sure some people will want once the explanation of the Force dyad is more fully out there.]
jedied: we could change it all (13)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-27 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[The problem here is that Rey doesn't have a better excuse than 'I don't want him dead' and, if she can get anyone else to accept it, 'Ben Solo literally died saving the fucking galaxy so can we cut him just a tiny little slack on the Kylo Ren bullshit and let him earn his redemption instead of executing him?????'

But really, not wanting him dead is enough. She'll fight the entire galaxy. Rey is... still not quite back to herself. She's getting there. But the cracks are where the Dark gets in, and she'd been starting to crack a little.

The others are coming back, so they don't really have time to get into anything more involved, but. Rey still leans up so she can kiss him, this time with a little more of the sheer fierce determined desperation that she felt to keep him anchored to her at all times now that he's returned.

She's figured out how she's going to practice her explanations to the others, and it's going to involve the one person on this ship who needs convincing. She's going to talk to Jannah.

But first: moar kissing.]


jedied: slipping out of time (49)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-28 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey truly, deeply, honestly wants to kiss him until they both forget how to breathe, and more than a little of that comes through in the way she presses her lips to his right now; the way she presses herself against him. There is definitely a little bit of sitting up and kind of straddling him going on but they're definitely not gonna have time to get too deeply into this yet.

She knows she's a little bit broken, but that's not on him. It was Palpatine, or the past year and change of war, or dying a little. Or, you know, life. The weight of being the last of the Jedi and that being entirely too much for her to carry when she'd thought she was going to do it without any of the people who knew what that felt like.

But it's better now. Some of it. The thing that had been most immediately wrong, anyway. The rest of it was going to be an issue whether he was here or not, so it's better that he is.]


jedied: you've set it running free (92)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-28 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
[Her lips part eagerly in response as she slips a hand up to tangle in his hair while the other braces against his chest to steady herself. She's interested to see just what kind of reactions she can get out of him before they get anywhere near taking their clothes off, honestly. And also in just connecting a little more, little by little as they start to learn one another.

It's not a perfect kiss; they're both too inexperienced with each other and in general for that. But what she lacks in experience Rey is more than willing to make up for in enthusiasm and curiosity. She's exploring rather than demanding, and letting him discover her in return.




And if kriffing BB-8 rolls in here Rey's just gonna turn the makeout session up to eleven just to see how embarrassed a droid is capable of getting.]
jedied: (95)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-28 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey was never going to be a Jedi by the rules. She'd gone over half her life without any significant relationships. She'd been ready to give herself to the Sith to save her friends. Kissing or fucking Ben wasn't going to make a difference to what she already felt, and since the Force itself had chosen this bond, the Jedi rules didn't get a say.

They definitely don't get a say right now, with Ben doing that sucking thing that draws a soft noise from her throat. It's so, so easy to get lost in this. This moment. This feeling of greedy lips and tongues exploring one another and her hands in his hair and having to stop and remind herself how breathing is supposed to work. It's so easy to let the world narrow down to just Ben and her and nothing else.

She wonders, in some dim distant place beyond thought, if everything with him is so heightened because of the dyad or if knowing that would even matter. It's not a question she particularly wants to examine now.]
jedied: my love's an iron ball (41)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-28 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
[... oh.

Rey's small surprised gasp at the sudden change in position is followed by a second or two in which she just... entirely forgets how to function. It's not as though she hasn't enjoyed all the slow, gentle stuff that has come before. They'd both been exhausted, overwhelmed, and trying not to jump directly into bad ideas.

This is probably bad idea territory, especially given how it's much closer to the places she'd let her mind wander the few times she'd allowed herself the sin of considering. What it would be like. Back when they were still supposed to be enemies.

The way she looks at him in that moment of surprise, pupils dilating with need -- it probably reveals a little more of her private imaginings than she'd otherwise be comfortable with. If she were really thinking about it.

Fortunately, she's not, and after she recovers from her initial surprise she's going to ball her fist up in the fabric of his shirt and pull herself up the small remaining distance to meet him, to encourage him to keep doing what he's doing.

She'll let her head fall back to allow him as much access to that spot on her neck that earns him another soft gasp, and tangle her legs around his so no one's going anywhere anytime soon, the rest of the crew be damned.]


jedied: this is a gift (52)

lord I spent 24 hours dealing with sick children pls send help enjoy Disney!

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-29 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey lets out a soft gasp at the sudden contact; she's never had another hand besides her own -- sometimes grasping her breast in the need to feel something like what she's allowed herself to imagine in times of desperation to sleep, her hand down her pants roughly bringing herself to a quick finish just so she can stop her body from humming with a need she has no use for.

This is... nothing like that, she finds. His touch sends an electric thrill through her that she wants more of, now and as much as possible. She arcs up into him for better contact, and her hand tangles in his hair to drag him back up for another kiss, this one open-mouthed and needy and desperate for more.


...

That she's not going to get right now, because it's at that exact moment that she hears Lando's voice over the ship's comm announcing the arrival of their small party.


Rey nearly screams in frustration and lets loose a string of curses in a number of languages that put Ben's "nerf herder" entirely to shame. Fuck fuck FUCK this is the worst timing in the history of the galaxy, Lando.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-29 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey is just going to sit here for a moment looking flushed from either embarrassment, frustration, or the makeout session that was JUST GETTING STARTED FOR FUCK'S SAKE LANDO.

Get it together, Rey. You're a Jedi. You're probably not the worst Jedi, but that's the lowest bar in the world.

It's fine. It's fine, she needs to talk to Jannah anyway. Step 1: talk to Jannah. Step two: lose your mutual virginity with your resurrected space boyfriend before either of you die again or anyone has another breakdown.

She hops off the bed and gives her clothes a quick once-over to make sure nothing's obviously too disheveled (thankfully she hasn't bothered with that weird impractical chiffon wrap, which would have just gotten in the way of every last thing she wanted to do on this ship, from fixing things to playing with porgs to whatever she and Ben are gonna get up to eventually.) Then she'll step around BB-8, who is just trying his best to make sure the space kids get at least a small amount of privacy, and address Lando herself.]



"Thank you, Lando. Do you mind if I borrow Jannah for a few minutes?
jedied: you say you don't want to (83)

writes this high on Nyquil thanks kids for the plague

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-30 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey's going to go find Jannah and start off straight out of the gate by apologizing for how she's been low-key (or, you know, high-key) glaring daggers at her every time she occupies the same general vicinity as Ben.

Then she'll ask Jannah to join her at the bar for a drink and a chat. A peace offering. That she needs to be just the tiniest bit less tense for, okay? Look, don't judge her; it's 5 o'clock somewhere in the galaxy.]


"I know I've been difficult. This must be hard to wrap your head around; please trust me when I say it still is for me, too."

[Jannah nods a little warily, but she seems to slowly relax and listen as Rey continues to talk, and as the alcohol starts to make them both a little less twitchy. Rey does her best to explain the connection that she'd felt - that she's always felt, and the unshakeable sense that Ben Solo had belonged in the Light.]

"Do you remember what made you leave the First Order, just risk everything and go? It's like that. It's what led me to Ben, and what eventually led him back to the Light. We can't undo what he did, but if you'll give him a chance, I believe he'll try to make things as right as possible. We just need a few more people firmly on our side to buy him the time."

Jannah, as it turns out, has had a long talk with Lando about the person Ben Solo had been, and how young he'd actually been around the time Snoke and Palpatine had targeted him. It didn't undo the actions of Kylo Ren, but it put them in perspective. She'd never been specifically targeted by the man and she'd still felt the effects. First Order brainwashing was no joke for anyone involved. But she'd walked away. And she'd been given the room to grow and change. Who was she to deny that chance to another, if he was really serious about it?

"I can't speak for anyone else, but he's Lando's family and your... whatever... so I'm willing to try."

It's all Rey can ask. She offer Jannah a brief, slightly awkward hug of gratitute, puts down her empty glass, and goes off to find out where underneath the ship Ben and Lando have gotten to.





Rey is absolutely, entirely not prepared for the sight of Ben in Han Solo cosplay. Her jaw just drops and she stands there staring in an entirely undignified manner as he sets aside the tool he'd been using and picks up another. And he's just slightly dirty already, but it adds to the overall effect, Rey thinks.]



... Um. Hi.

jedied: just don't lie to me (58)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-30 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
[Ben, that is highly illegal. Rey's gonna call the space cops if you keep it up.

Rey is torn between just... appreciating the view, and actually offering to help. The frustration just makes him wildly more attractive in this particular context. It is like Han, and that's bittersweet enough that she'll never mention it.]


Do you need another set of hands?

[Rey's just gonna put herself within arms reach so he can ask her for wrenches or whatever. And not at all so she can get a better look at the whole... situation. Nope. Not a bit of checking out going on here.

How is it possible he's this attractive without trying? Utterly unfair.]


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