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If you direct your attention to my conspiracy theory madness below about the original intended ("true") ending for Rise of Skywalker, it's a bit obvious that I'd like to play out scenarios where Ben does, in fact, survive the movie. The awkwardness around the Resistance and the entirety of space, Rey having to struggle with her desire to keep him safe at all costs vs her want to be open with her friends. And the both of them having to deal with the weight of the fact that Leia, Luke, and Han all sacrificed themselves for Ben. And the residual C-PTSD from this entire goddamn trilogy. also what color is ur lightsaber ben

Okay seriously tho. How pissed would poe be to find out leia gave her life to that piece of shit Kylo Ren? Also every time Rey or Ben thinks "oh we can just go talk to Le---" and then that sad piano music from scrubs plays.

Sad Lonely Housewife Ben Solo. With a black frilly Apron. I'm only partially joking

I'd actually dig something where he remains dead/gone for longer than just a few seconds. Like. Leia takes a bit to reboot into "Second Birth Of My Child" metaphor. It could take a few hours or even a few days and in the mean time Rey's just collapsing in on herself about everything away from all her friends. Isolating herself and "Oh wait. what the fuck. HE'S BACK"

Planet hopping with Ben and Rey on the "how the fuck do we even restart the Jedi Order" bus!!! Maybe they steal the falcon from Lando. Unsure how to justify it. Just know I want Han's son to swoop in and take the ship back because can Lando be all that mad about it tho?

Speaking of, how the fuck would Chewbacca and Lando feel about Leia's final sacrifice? Would they help Rey smuggle Ben while the galaxy celebrates his death? Would there be time limits or stipulations? Or maybe they're the first ones to figure out what Rey is hiding and what is that confrontation like?

For scenarios which follow along with the 'theatrical'/canon ending as it were. Rey absolutely losing her shit over Ben's death and he attempts to comfort her. Unsure that will work well, but that's the fun of RP. Her questioning whether it was him or a product of her imagination. And just her absolute inability to cope with the other half of her dead.

Rey goes Dark to get Ben back. Possibly against his wishes. He wants her to move on, she can't, she refuses. Time travel is always an option for this shit. And if she's successful, would Ben realize something's wrong? And if he figured out what she did.... would he actually care?

Alternate universe theories. Like not traditional AU, but through some Force fuckery a rift between the movie's canon and the intended ending occur. Rey finds Ben in this rift and just the absolute emotional meltdown that will occur from there.

Forcebond shenanigans, ofc.
Forbidden relationship bullshit is just part of the package ig
Arranged marriage is also just A++
Also now that we know how the fuck close Ben was to turning nearly the entire fucking time finding any other canon point and just fucking the entire timeline up
Ben actually HELPING the Resistance take down Palps before yeeting himself at Rey.
Ben having to wait awkwardly 15 ft away as Finn and Poe screech at Rey about her Supreme Leader Secret and Rose is just trying to do her best for everyone

No seriously. Can we kill off C3P0 for real?????

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โœจ The True Ending โœจ


Welcome one. Welcome all. I have brought all of you here today to say that YOU WERE LIED AND DECEIVED BY THE FORCES OF HOLLYWOOD AND UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. 'How?' You ask. And yes. I shall answer. It is simple:
The ending of the Rise of Skywalker was wrong

Wait. Excuse me. WHAT THE FUCK?
You read correctly, dear friends. Someone fucked with the editing of Rise of Skywalker and it changed the entire ending of the movie. It changed the characterization of three key characters and it's clear this was against the creator's wishes. I'll be breaking this down into a few key sections. What were the changes, Why I believe these changes were made (and made last minute), and do I consider this ending more or less canon then the theatrical ending. So. JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE FRIEND

The plot changes/editing change
It's fairly simple. They changed Leia's role in the plot, this changed the entire direction of the last few minutes of the movie. Let me break the timeline down
โ€” Deathstar fight on the ocean still happens, Ben is distracted by Leia reaching out to him. She either still enters her "disappointment son" coma here, or perhaps simply just reaches out to him.
โ€” From here, the plot continues as normal. Ben and Rey both get to the sith rave separately.
โ€” Rey Dies
โ€” Ben Revives her and dies.
โ€” Leia chooses THIS MOMENT to die and give her life to her son
โ€” Ben is revived. He and Rey kiss.
โ€” Move to conclusion

WHAT EVIDENCE DO I HAVE THESE CHANGES WERE MADE (and at the last moment)
Take in note, my evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence still counts as proof
โ€” Leia's final role in the movie is insanely unclear. She also takes 12 hours to actually die or something. Again. Confusing
โ€” Ben's final words, as of this moment, are "OW". Adam Driver said he was nervous about his final dialogue in the movie to the point he stressed about it on the flight over. And. Man. IDK about you but OW seems a little unstressful to say
โ€” There was no Force Ghost Ben, a decision that is baffling story wise. It would take any competent VFX team hardly any effort to throw a ghostly adam driver next to Leia and Luke. And this would be advantageous to add to the plot if Ben was going to die, give that final bit of closure to the Skywalker fam.
โ€” Rey's near LACK of emotion over his death. Go watch her realize she has to leave Ben behind in TLJ and tell me that the difference isn't noticeable. It's completely against her character.
โ€” The weird beats of Leia going into her disappointment son coma and the other strange beats of Ben's death. Especially the fact that you only see him disappear in like. one shot.
โ€” None of the cast thought he was going to die
โ€” Wow I wonder why Adam Driver is adamant about never wanting to do star wars at this point?
โ€” Wow, why does disney keep resetting the character poll of who is the most anticipated character of this movie????
โ€” The prophecy about Ben's death is completely unnecessary at this point. If it was brought up during TFA, it's understandable to put that thread there. Instead it's in the last movie when his death seems to be a foregone conclusion???
โ€” So Rey's fine for Luke and Leia even tho she's palpatines kid, but Luke and Leia don't seem all that bothered by Ben's death??????
โ€” This was supposed to be Leia's film and complete her arc. And while I understand that there was a lack of footage to use for her, it's odd that she ended up not playing much of a role beyond "Distract Ben so he gets stabbed ig"
โ€” Every single hole in characterization for Luke, Leia, and Rey, every strange beat that didn't really make sense in Ben and Rey's fight on the ocean and during their ??? Mutual deaths???? and the some how rushed and dragged on ending can be solved by a simple solution. Occam's razor, Ben was never meant to die permanently.

โ€” The fact that there was no final dialogue for Ben after his talk with his father suggests he had something significant to say after his resurrection
โ€” The fact that they didn't have a cut of Rey absolutely LOSING HER MIND over losing to, what amounts to, the other half of her soul suggests that she was never supposed to lose him permanently
โ€” The fact that there is no Ben Ghost means that they didn't have the time to slip that in before pushing it out to theaters
โ€” The way the final scenes with Rey are shot and edited are, again, weird, off balance. It seems like it ends WAY TOO QUICKLY and far too on the nose.
โ€” no but really guys. His final words are "OW"
โ€” As for WHO changed it, because of the fact that this is clearly an edit job done at the last minute? I'm putting my money on a CEO that is above Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrhrams. I think their hands are tied ATM. This is the ending that had been planned for, this is the ending they wanted, otherwise there would not be such big holes that felt weird and dishonest to the characters. And, like, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was JJ's child, he wouldn't have done him dirty like this.\

THEATRICAL ENDING/TRUE ENDING
I'm sure opinions would be divided on which ending is canon depending on the person. The theatrical ending will be what's considered canon in the universe of star wars at large. For myself, I find it hard to deny the creators and filmmakers the right to present the story they wanted to tell. So, in that way, both endings are true for me. Though, I am biased-- both as someone who is an artist myself and someone who adores Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's character-- I like the story the film team were trying to tell over the agenda that whoever pushed for these changes had. Personally, I believe it pushes Star Wars as a universe forward into new territory rather than keep it stagnant in the same old same old that it's always been. Plus. this maintains the integrity of Luke, Leia, and Rey's characters, Ben was never forgotten, far too gone, or unloved. Leia gave him one final gift, a second chance.

That said, I'm not pushing this ending on anyone. I won't be playing it by default. I would rather ask permission or have someone else bring it up.


Sin Bin aka triggery bullshit

So no surprise. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo comes with a pile of situations that are. Questionable. this is just a short heads up section for anyone curious about what I'm willing to delve into:

- I'm a-okay playing out non/dubcon. However, this has to be discussed beforehand, especially if Kylo will be the aggressor. He's shown no sexual interest in anyone besides, Rey. He's not gonna be the weird Shoujo trope of "The troubled dude who just goes around molesting gals because he's got an itch to scratch". That ain't his MO. Rey is different because.... forcebond. However, depending on his canon point he will be more or less willing to ignore her consent. And after a certain point? He'd probably be rendered completely incapable of ignoring her consent. I imagine ForceBonds do not like when one half just kinda takes advantage of the other.

- On that note. I consider Kylo an abuse survivor. The abuse inflicted upon him was physical, emotional, and spiritual. I don't play or think of this as he was physically violated in a sexual capcity, but that his soul was constantly from the time he was even conceived until Palpatine's death. His thoughts and his desires truly were not his own, sexual desire was another way of control over him.

- I'm cool with him being taken advantage of. But expect not great results unless you some how get him to not force choke you as soon as you touch him okay

- Oh and this also means that he is prone to getting a little panicked when someone takes the reigns from him suddenly. So. JusT BE AWARE.

- if this shit ain't G for you? Please tell me and I can try to work with you.

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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey wants to crumple into Chewie and let him comfort her. But the emotions swirling within her only allow her to hug him briefly while she tries to hold in tears. They need her to be strong. She ends up shouting and begging for help anyway, because pride isn't necessary when you've reached rock bottom.

All the losses stack up to create a haze that makes Rey want to give in to the darkness she feels within her. She doesn't, of course. She's found the balance. She can maintain that balance. It's her focus on keeping the balance that helps with the numbness she feels, and enables her to board the Falcon while Chewie and Lando take care of the rest.

She doesn't tell them where to put the body. She can't bring herself to look at him yet. She busies herself with unnecessary ship repairs in the cockpit. When they rejoin her she's ready to pilot herself, engines started and Rey in the pilot's seat. They let her fly, and she feels an eerie sense of calm that enables her to ignore the emptiness inside her head.

On autopilot at that point, she heads for the resistance. She needs to see Finn for herself, to ensure that her friend is safe and alive. It's an impatient anxiety that eats at her until finally she passes the reins over to Lando. Rey withdraws and breaks down in peace in a dark corner of the Falcon.

When they arrive, the others are celebrating. Forcibly numb at that point, Rey leaves the Falcon with no mention to the others on what to do with Ben. She has absolutely no idea what she's doing at this point. She finds Finn and Poe and after ensuring their safety, she's grateful for the opportunity to retreat with BB-8.

It's with the darkness of late night to cloak her movements that she enlists the droids to help her with Ben's body. He's been gone for hours at that point, and she knows that something must be done. And given that all her hope feels gone at the moment, she knows she needs to do the next right thing and ensure Ben is at rest before Finn or Poe ever find out he's there. Still ompletely oblivious to Leia's master plan (thanks Lando), she figures that carrying him to the forest and using a fire is the best solution. No matter how painful it may be.
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
[It's only the sound of Leia's voice in her head that gets her to stop. She idolized Han Solo, thought highly of Luke, but Leia was the closest thing to a maternal figure she could remember. She had a mother, of course. Now she knew that her mother gave her up to keep her safe. She valued that. But Leia was part of Rey's heart, someone she loved dearly. Hearing her voice made Rey stop in her tracks. It was a last second remembrance of the Force that had her extending a hand to prevent Ben's body from falling gracelessly to the ground. ]

I don't know how to take care of this.

[It's a very broad response, and comes out flat.]

Your loss, Ben's. Luke's. The people that are left behind.

[She's terrified of ending up alone. What if she isn't enough to bring hope to them all? What if Finn and Poe leave? What if she's left with nothing after the remains of the resistance scatter?]

I can't do this alone.

[Her voice cracks, numb armor chipping away and breaking. Tears build in her eyes and finally she allows them to fall openly. That whisper was meant to calm her. It's only brought out her emotions to make her face them. Luke would tell her that makes her brave. She feels like a coward, running off with Ben Solo's body well past midnight.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
No. [It's with a gentle lowering of her hand that Ben goes to rest on the ground. She isn't sure if she's agreeing that she isn't alone, or if she's cutting Leia off from saying more. She respects Leia too much to do that, so her posture shifts into something resigned. ]

No one is ever truly alone.

[She's not looking for Leia to apologize. She can't accept an apology from her master, from someone she cares for so greatly. She wants guidance, to be told how Leia prefers this be handled. She's his mother. She should be the one who gets to decide. After the decisions she's had to make the past year of her life, Rey is tired of being the one that carries the weight of the world on her shoulders. She desperately craves closure and rest.

She glances down at Ben before crouching down next to his body. Her hand goes to cup his cheek, eyes sliding closed.

Please, she asks of Leia. Be with me. Show me what to do.
]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
[It takes every ounce of focus and strength not to break down and cry.]

Don't apologize. We both failed him.

[They both saved him in the end, ensured that he turned away from Kylo Ren and came home. But they couldn't keep him alive, and that's the part where she feels like a failure.]

But I want you to know. Ben, he - [Her mouth feels dry and she swallows a lump that's formed in her throat.]

He left knowing he was loved.

[Or at least she hopes he did. She feels a sense of peace at having said that out loud.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
[A year ago, Rey would've rather run than promise someone anything. Leia is family to her. She's grateful for the chance to offer a promise. She gives a curt nod of her head as she pulls away from Ben to stand. She feels lighter now, even if she's not at peace. There's a calm before the storm within her rages again.]

You know all you have to do is ask.

[It's a final request. A way for Rey to honor Leia's memory. She latches onto that idea and manages a slight smile.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
Always.

[She assumes Leia must mean Finn and the others. Her found family.

But then another meaning sinks in. Rey's face contorts in confusion, and she feels her breath catch as she tries to reach out through the force to keep Leia with her. It doesn't work, of course, and within moments she's alone.

Surely she meant Finn and the others. They'll need her, just the same as she needs them.

She stands there for a few moments before turning and once again crouching down next to Ben. He's been gone for so long now that it feels wrong to do, but she still dips in close to press a kiss to his forehead.
]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey feels the gasp for air before it ever actually happens. From the second his heart beats again the severed connection is repaired. She gasps as she feels a sense of wholeness warm her to the point it feels like her heart might actually explode. She can feel it start to race, pounding louder and faster with each heartbeat. She swears her beats match his by the time he finally gasps for air.

Positioned at his side, crouched over him, she shifts to try and cradle him in a way that supports his head. As it turns out, his hulking body is impossible to move without using the force. She winds up sprawled out with his head half on her leg, and her hand pressed firmly over his heart. His beating heart.

Tears fall from her eyes and down onto his face as she lets out a laugh of sheer disbelief. Leia's by far the strongest person she's ever known. Nothing's impossible for her. Finally, the full meaning of her words sink in. She swears that she'll always take care of him. He's Leia's last gift, her final mark in the galaxy. Ben Solo has a second chance, an opportunity to be more. She just has to guide him back to living first.
]

Ben? [She watches him closely, eyes scanning his face. She'll wait to see his reaction before saying much more.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
[For someone that grew up in the desert, Rey sure is forgetting that water is the key to life. She's too busy staring in total shock to do anything helpful right away. Instead, she takes great comfort in his presence and the fact that she can feel him through the force as well as in her arms. He's solid, and whole, and alive.

She lets herself continue to cry, to the point where she can't speak clearly.
]

You died, saving me.

[It's all she can say, until everything clicks all at once and she jumps into action. She shifts so she can move to help him sit up. This laying in her lap thing is quickly getting uncomfortable and awkward.]

But your mother, she brought you back.

[Don't ask how, Jedi magic she guesses? It's probably a good idea not to question it now.]

How do you feel?

[Because he sounds like shit. Which is concerning, but understandable.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
Ajan Kloss. In the jungle outside the resistance base.

[Which is a lot to unload, but she's not going to lie to him right now so...they can deal with their location later. All that matters is they're far away from immediate danger and he's not dead.

She's going to have to deal with his being dead and then not being dead and find a way to process her emotions later. Right now, he needs her to take charge.
]

Do you think you can get on your feet? I'll help you walk.

[She's impossibly tiny next to him, but sure, she can help him walk to a hiding place. They're not exactly out in the open, but it's still not safe. She wants to touch him, to hold him. To kiss him again. But the need for practicality wins out and makes her try to hurry him.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
[She hesitates, not wanting to answer. Mostly because she can't really remember what happened between then and now and that makes her realize she really needs to rest. But there's no time for that. He's wobbly and likely to fall, and she goes over to wedge herself against his side. Her arms support him as best as possible, and she finds herself turning inward to curl against him and give him a tight hug.]

I tried, but had to wait for the Falcon. I wasn't in the best shape after...well, you were there. You know what happened.

[That's hopefully answer enough.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
I was, at first.

[And that's all she has to say about that. She hugs him tighter, but only long enough that she can press her face against his shoulder and give herself time to let her tears dry up. When she feels like she's good she pulls back just enough that they can start walking. She'll support him the rest of the way, so he can hobble along safely.]

Chewie was there too. He's probably looking for us now, actually.

[Which is great. Really. Given the eye Finn keeps on her, she's sure he's not far behind. This will be fun to explain.]
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[personal profile] instinction 2020-01-09 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
My plan up until a moment ago was to burn your body.

[Which means no, there is no plan. She just knows she has to hide him, and fast.]

We have to get to a ship, and leave.

[She's firm on that, her voice clipped and not leaving room for argument. The last thing they need is for Finn to go looking for her, and see her with him.]

Unless you're willing to risk staying in my quarters here?

[She feels like she's talking a lot. It's definitely out of anxiety.]

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