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If you direct your attention to my conspiracy theory madness below about the original intended ("true") ending for Rise of Skywalker, it's a bit obvious that I'd like to play out scenarios where Ben does, in fact, survive the movie. The awkwardness around the Resistance and the entirety of space, Rey having to struggle with her desire to keep him safe at all costs vs her want to be open with her friends. And the both of them having to deal with the weight of the fact that Leia, Luke, and Han all sacrificed themselves for Ben. And the residual C-PTSD from this entire goddamn trilogy. also what color is ur lightsaber ben

Okay seriously tho. How pissed would poe be to find out leia gave her life to that piece of shit Kylo Ren? Also every time Rey or Ben thinks "oh we can just go talk to Le---" and then that sad piano music from scrubs plays.

Sad Lonely Housewife Ben Solo. With a black frilly Apron. I'm only partially joking

I'd actually dig something where he remains dead/gone for longer than just a few seconds. Like. Leia takes a bit to reboot into "Second Birth Of My Child" metaphor. It could take a few hours or even a few days and in the mean time Rey's just collapsing in on herself about everything away from all her friends. Isolating herself and "Oh wait. what the fuck. HE'S BACK"

Planet hopping with Ben and Rey on the "how the fuck do we even restart the Jedi Order" bus!!! Maybe they steal the falcon from Lando. Unsure how to justify it. Just know I want Han's son to swoop in and take the ship back because can Lando be all that mad about it tho?

Speaking of, how the fuck would Chewbacca and Lando feel about Leia's final sacrifice? Would they help Rey smuggle Ben while the galaxy celebrates his death? Would there be time limits or stipulations? Or maybe they're the first ones to figure out what Rey is hiding and what is that confrontation like?

For scenarios which follow along with the 'theatrical'/canon ending as it were. Rey absolutely losing her shit over Ben's death and he attempts to comfort her. Unsure that will work well, but that's the fun of RP. Her questioning whether it was him or a product of her imagination. And just her absolute inability to cope with the other half of her dead.

Rey goes Dark to get Ben back. Possibly against his wishes. He wants her to move on, she can't, she refuses. Time travel is always an option for this shit. And if she's successful, would Ben realize something's wrong? And if he figured out what she did.... would he actually care?

Alternate universe theories. Like not traditional AU, but through some Force fuckery a rift between the movie's canon and the intended ending occur. Rey finds Ben in this rift and just the absolute emotional meltdown that will occur from there.

Forcebond shenanigans, ofc.
Forbidden relationship bullshit is just part of the package ig
Arranged marriage is also just A++
Also now that we know how the fuck close Ben was to turning nearly the entire fucking time finding any other canon point and just fucking the entire timeline up
Ben actually HELPING the Resistance take down Palps before yeeting himself at Rey.
Ben having to wait awkwardly 15 ft away as Finn and Poe screech at Rey about her Supreme Leader Secret and Rose is just trying to do her best for everyone

No seriously. Can we kill off C3P0 for real?????

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โœจ The True Ending โœจ


Welcome one. Welcome all. I have brought all of you here today to say that YOU WERE LIED AND DECEIVED BY THE FORCES OF HOLLYWOOD AND UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. 'How?' You ask. And yes. I shall answer. It is simple:
The ending of the Rise of Skywalker was wrong

Wait. Excuse me. WHAT THE FUCK?
You read correctly, dear friends. Someone fucked with the editing of Rise of Skywalker and it changed the entire ending of the movie. It changed the characterization of three key characters and it's clear this was against the creator's wishes. I'll be breaking this down into a few key sections. What were the changes, Why I believe these changes were made (and made last minute), and do I consider this ending more or less canon then the theatrical ending. So. JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE FRIEND

The plot changes/editing change
It's fairly simple. They changed Leia's role in the plot, this changed the entire direction of the last few minutes of the movie. Let me break the timeline down
โ€” Deathstar fight on the ocean still happens, Ben is distracted by Leia reaching out to him. She either still enters her "disappointment son" coma here, or perhaps simply just reaches out to him.
โ€” From here, the plot continues as normal. Ben and Rey both get to the sith rave separately.
โ€” Rey Dies
โ€” Ben Revives her and dies.
โ€” Leia chooses THIS MOMENT to die and give her life to her son
โ€” Ben is revived. He and Rey kiss.
โ€” Move to conclusion

WHAT EVIDENCE DO I HAVE THESE CHANGES WERE MADE (and at the last moment)
Take in note, my evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence still counts as proof
โ€” Leia's final role in the movie is insanely unclear. She also takes 12 hours to actually die or something. Again. Confusing
โ€” Ben's final words, as of this moment, are "OW". Adam Driver said he was nervous about his final dialogue in the movie to the point he stressed about it on the flight over. And. Man. IDK about you but OW seems a little unstressful to say
โ€” There was no Force Ghost Ben, a decision that is baffling story wise. It would take any competent VFX team hardly any effort to throw a ghostly adam driver next to Leia and Luke. And this would be advantageous to add to the plot if Ben was going to die, give that final bit of closure to the Skywalker fam.
โ€” Rey's near LACK of emotion over his death. Go watch her realize she has to leave Ben behind in TLJ and tell me that the difference isn't noticeable. It's completely against her character.
โ€” The weird beats of Leia going into her disappointment son coma and the other strange beats of Ben's death. Especially the fact that you only see him disappear in like. one shot.
โ€” None of the cast thought he was going to die
โ€” Wow I wonder why Adam Driver is adamant about never wanting to do star wars at this point?
โ€” Wow, why does disney keep resetting the character poll of who is the most anticipated character of this movie????
โ€” The prophecy about Ben's death is completely unnecessary at this point. If it was brought up during TFA, it's understandable to put that thread there. Instead it's in the last movie when his death seems to be a foregone conclusion???
โ€” So Rey's fine for Luke and Leia even tho she's palpatines kid, but Luke and Leia don't seem all that bothered by Ben's death??????
โ€” This was supposed to be Leia's film and complete her arc. And while I understand that there was a lack of footage to use for her, it's odd that she ended up not playing much of a role beyond "Distract Ben so he gets stabbed ig"
โ€” Every single hole in characterization for Luke, Leia, and Rey, every strange beat that didn't really make sense in Ben and Rey's fight on the ocean and during their ??? Mutual deaths???? and the some how rushed and dragged on ending can be solved by a simple solution. Occam's razor, Ben was never meant to die permanently.

โ€” The fact that there was no final dialogue for Ben after his talk with his father suggests he had something significant to say after his resurrection
โ€” The fact that they didn't have a cut of Rey absolutely LOSING HER MIND over losing to, what amounts to, the other half of her soul suggests that she was never supposed to lose him permanently
โ€” The fact that there is no Ben Ghost means that they didn't have the time to slip that in before pushing it out to theaters
โ€” The way the final scenes with Rey are shot and edited are, again, weird, off balance. It seems like it ends WAY TOO QUICKLY and far too on the nose.
โ€” no but really guys. His final words are "OW"
โ€” As for WHO changed it, because of the fact that this is clearly an edit job done at the last minute? I'm putting my money on a CEO that is above Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrhrams. I think their hands are tied ATM. This is the ending that had been planned for, this is the ending they wanted, otherwise there would not be such big holes that felt weird and dishonest to the characters. And, like, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was JJ's child, he wouldn't have done him dirty like this.\

THEATRICAL ENDING/TRUE ENDING
I'm sure opinions would be divided on which ending is canon depending on the person. The theatrical ending will be what's considered canon in the universe of star wars at large. For myself, I find it hard to deny the creators and filmmakers the right to present the story they wanted to tell. So, in that way, both endings are true for me. Though, I am biased-- both as someone who is an artist myself and someone who adores Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's character-- I like the story the film team were trying to tell over the agenda that whoever pushed for these changes had. Personally, I believe it pushes Star Wars as a universe forward into new territory rather than keep it stagnant in the same old same old that it's always been. Plus. this maintains the integrity of Luke, Leia, and Rey's characters, Ben was never forgotten, far too gone, or unloved. Leia gave him one final gift, a second chance.

That said, I'm not pushing this ending on anyone. I won't be playing it by default. I would rather ask permission or have someone else bring it up.


Sin Bin aka triggery bullshit

So no surprise. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo comes with a pile of situations that are. Questionable. this is just a short heads up section for anyone curious about what I'm willing to delve into:

- I'm a-okay playing out non/dubcon. However, this has to be discussed beforehand, especially if Kylo will be the aggressor. He's shown no sexual interest in anyone besides, Rey. He's not gonna be the weird Shoujo trope of "The troubled dude who just goes around molesting gals because he's got an itch to scratch". That ain't his MO. Rey is different because.... forcebond. However, depending on his canon point he will be more or less willing to ignore her consent. And after a certain point? He'd probably be rendered completely incapable of ignoring her consent. I imagine ForceBonds do not like when one half just kinda takes advantage of the other.

- On that note. I consider Kylo an abuse survivor. The abuse inflicted upon him was physical, emotional, and spiritual. I don't play or think of this as he was physically violated in a sexual capcity, but that his soul was constantly from the time he was even conceived until Palpatine's death. His thoughts and his desires truly were not his own, sexual desire was another way of control over him.

- I'm cool with him being taken advantage of. But expect not great results unless you some how get him to not force choke you as soon as you touch him okay

- Oh and this also means that he is prone to getting a little panicked when someone takes the reigns from him suddenly. So. JusT BE AWARE.

- if this shit ain't G for you? Please tell me and I can try to work with you.

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
[The name jars something loose in Rey's memory and the wheels start to turn. Padme Amidala; of course. She'd been almost universally beloved by her people and was well respected during her time in the Senate. Her death had been a tragedy; killed by Anakin Skywalker during his turn to the Dark. Leia had caught Rey up on some of this, though it had been understandably painful for her and Rey hadn't pressed for too many details.

But.

BUT.

Somehow her brain is sort of catching up to what this means and she kind of has no idea how to take the fact that her former Supreme Leader and current zombie boyfriend is actually still kind of a literal Disney prince.]


Wait.

[She holds up a hand for everyone to just stop and fucking back this train up so the sleep-deprived manic Jedi can hop on. She turns to look at Ben, silently reassessing him in some nebulous way.]

Do either the Naboo people or the remaining Alderaanians claim you as one of their royal line? Would they acknowledge the claim if you made it, even as a temporary measure?

[There is another possibility forming somewhere in the back of her mind, but it is absolutely not one that she's going to voice or entertain on any level. Her grandfather's legacy is not something she's willing to exploit. Not even for this. She wouldn't even know where to begin if she wanted to.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey's going to turn that question over to Lando, then. Literally anyone in this room except possibly Jannah would have a better idea of the possibilities.]

We just need options. Some room to think.

[Then, to Ben,]

You don't have to decide now. I'm just not taking you before a Resistance that wants you dead without a plan of some sort.

[Unless he wants her to get even less sleep because she's guarding him from constant assassination attempts.

Lando, for his part, is muttering something about calling in some important favors just for the information they'd need to determine if Ben's claim to a title would be accepted, and if a title would even be a deterrent to those who wanted a harsh justice served.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey... doesn't know what she wants more between food and sleep, but she's been living in the literal dust for two weeks and Ben's back from the dead, so just a little bit of self-consciousness is kicking in. Not a lot, honestly. But she's not snuggling back up to undead boyfriend until she's had a shower and a change of clothes.

It would be good if Ben changed clothes, too. Death shirt is kinda hot and all that but again: death. shirt. She needs to stop seeing him die over and over again in her head every time she lets her mind land there.

Rey manages to communicate her need for cleanliness in some half-coherent fashion before leaving everyone else to sort out their own lives. Let someone who's had more than a few hours' sleep in a row figure out the food question.

Also, she's not gonna tell you what to do, Ben. She doesn't actually care where they sleep as long as it's you and her in one room where they can shut the door on everyone else.

She's just gonna. Disappear into the fresher for a while. I have no idea if their showers produce actual water but once again this is my imagination so I'm gonna go with fuck it, yes, because this is the quality content you're here for. Wet Rey. Trying her best to let the hot water overtake all her other senses for a little while.]



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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
[When Rey emerges, she is dressed in some sort of bathrobe because she wasn't putting her sand-infused clothes back on and everything else she owns is in her bag. Which is also full of sand and just... she feels about 45% more human now that she's clean. Let's not ruin it.

Her hair is also down out of the messy buns and she's working out some of the more stubborn snarls with a hairbrush she's managed to find as she steps back into the room. She spares Ben about half a second's glance before her eyes land on the fruit. There is fruit. Do you know how rarely in her life Rey got to have fruit???

Sorry, Ben, but you're currently second place to a weird purple pear-shaped thing, which Rey is going to eat like it's the absolute last piece of food in existence. It's probably either really gross or really sexy depending upon what you're into, but Rey is incredibly unconcerned with anything else for a few minutes. She's probably got purple pear juice all over her mouth and is chewing really unglamourously by the time she remembers Ben even still exists on the same plane of reality.]


So that... went okay, I think?
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
[Considering they've killed people together on more than one occasion, yeah. That went better than usual. No one died; call it a win.

Rey will not need much encouragement to eat, though she's been neglecting food for a bit and yeah, she's probably a little more angular than she had been. But the shower and the change of scenery have helped, as has Ben's continued existence. And they've got some options. Breathing room.

Rey shakes her head and offers him a little smile.]


I'm fine. I'll be here.

[She figures he needs the shower to feel something approaching human again, too. So she's content to eat some more of the real, actual food and then settle herself directly in the center of the bed where she'll resume trying to brush the knots out of her hair and wait for Ben to return.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
[Gosh. Ben in a tank top is A Look. Rey's going to try not to stare too hard but it's a challenge.

She'll slide over a bit to give him room to sit but she's really not all that concerned with being any further from him than strictly necessary. On the one hand, this is all very surreal and very new, but on the other, she's 97% certain that Ben's nearness is the only reason she's this calm.]


Hi.

[How is it that Rey can expend way too many words on literally every other aspect of what's gone down recently, but saying two in a row to Ben is near impossible? Is this ever going to get easier? Are they just going to have to make out, bang, and fight without ever saying anything?

Questions for the ages, honestly. But right now she's got herself together enough that she thinks she really ought to check in with Ben.]


How are you, really? That was all... a lot.

[There's a gentle inquiry that she'll send along their bond; she's not going to push him for anything he doesn't want to reveal. She just wants him to know she's not going to fall apart anymore so it's okay if he needs to.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
[Oh. That's.

Well, this is surreal. Whatever Rey had expected, she really did not expect Ben Solo to start brushing her hair. Like. This should honestly be the last of his concerns. It's barely one of her concerns.

But it's really, really nice. She'll lean back into him a little, not so much that she interferes with the brushing, however. It's soothing, and she could honestly fall asleep again if he keeps doing that.

But then he's talking about his father, and she turns her head just a little to glance back at him when he does. Just to acknowledge that she knows what that admission costs.]


I'm glad.

[A pause, and then, softer,]

Your parents loved you very much, Ben. You have to know that.

[Does he? Surely he must by now. There's no hint of judgment in it; she just wants him to know that he was and is loved, whatever his crimes had been.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey gets it, the meticulousess. How having something focused to do with your hands can make some of the noise go away. Building and tinkering with things wasn't just a way to have any sort of life as a scavenger. It was a mental focus, one that kept her from wasting away from sheer boredom but also helped to drive away anxiety in her worst moments.

She would have been a small child the last time anyone else touched her hair. She hadn't realized it was something she would find so calming and honestly, so necessary right now. They both needed that contact; little ways to get more familiar with one another. Which was an odd thing to think about someone who was somehow your mystical other half, but. Nothing about the two of them had been ordinary.

She almost laughs in surprise and just... sheer confusion at the nature of his question. It doesn't exactly offend her, but she has to bite down her first defensive instinct to protest that she's not nervous.

But. I mean. Dude.

When you first met her you kidnapped her, and you've been kind of consistently intense ever since. She loves you, but that's a whole confusing thing in its own right. And you just keep jumping around all over the place and skipping the steps that normal people take before getting to the point where you're brushing her goddamn hair and just.

Your question is too difficult and also a little unfair, Ben.]


I told you it's hard to know how to be around you. We've barely had anything that counts as an actual conversation.
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
[It's not like Rey has any better practice at this. Scavengers don't really converse beyond passing niceties when it's absolutely necessary; mostly they tended to distrustfully ignore one another. If it weren't for people like Finn and Poe being aggressively social in her direction, Rey wouldn't know how to talk to anybody.

What she wants to say is something along the lines of "I'm sorry for all those times I tried to kill you (but to be fair you were being a dick)" but that's exactly the sort of intense territory she's trying to move them away from.]


Tell me something I don't already--

[excuse her, that perfectly reasonable sentence is going to be interrupted by a positively undignified noise of enjoyment because dear god his fingers had just touched the back of her neck just so and sent a full-body shiver down her spine that she isn't remotely prepared to suppress.

Well. They're not going to get a lot of talking done if he insists upon doing things like that.]


-- that I don't already know about you.

[Yup, just pretend like you didn't enjoy that way more than was convenient, Rey. The man's ego is probably already way too big. Just like his--

Hands. Yup. ]





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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
[Okay, that is just suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper unfair right now. She'd been trying. To have a conversation. But his lips against her neck, the little breath of hot air that precedes them; that's what turns her to actual jelly. All the tension seems to drop out of her limbs at once such that she ends up somewhat involuntarily draping herself back against him.

Sorry, Ben, the hair brushing probably just got kind of complicated, because she cranes her head to look at him with a sort of mild disbelief even though she can feel the truth of his words.]


Really? But I thought you could have --

had anyone you wanted she thinks, probably too loudly even though she's realized that's literally not true, given that who he'd wanted was her. And I mean. Maybe there'd been rules about that sort of thing under Snoke. She doesn't want to think about it. She wants him to keep doing things that make her all melty. But she also wants to get to know him in some way other than the naked way first. Or you know. Simultaneously. Whatever.

(Oh hey Ben, that bathrobe she's wearing? Definitely too big for her. Absolutely trying to slip off one shoulder given the way she's awkwardly turned to sort-of look at you.)

And for a minute it seems like she's really, deeply considering kissing him. Because she is. She wets her lips first and everything. But instead, without turning back around, she asks-]


Your turn. Ask me something. And no fair just pulling the answer out of my mind even if that's effortless for you.

[She knows it's kind of an effort to block one another out, but she's been making one so as not to invade his privacy. She doesn't want to be another person uninvited into his head.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
[ Rey is... vaguely aware of him fixing her clothes, but honestly she just thinks it's because he's decided she's a perpetual mess and this is just how life is going to be now, her trying to exist and Ben deciding to invade her personal space to fix her.

Not a bad plan tbh.

She's actually surprisingly comfortable (or unsurprisingly; by now Rey's starting to figure out that being close to one another is keeping them both calm and anchored), so she just lets one hand rest lightly over one of his and the other will lightly stroke his arm where it's wrapped around her waist; just letting her fingertips trace idle patterns as she speaks.]


Mm. You'd probably think Ahch-To because it was the island from my dream, but it was honestly kind of a let-down in person. I was starting to enjoy Ajan Kloss, honestly. It's the entire opposite of Jakku. I felt safe there for a while.

[This is nice. She wouldn't mind kissing him some more, but she also wouldn't mind just talking to each other until one of them falls asleep. It'll probably be her, but she's vaguely concerned he's not actually gotten enough sleep either, so she may make a conscious effort to make sure he does this time. It's all up to whether or not tiredness wins out over her concern, and how successful Ben is at remaining a calming influence.

And really. Honestly. What is her life that suddenly Ben Solo is the most calming influence in it?]


My turn. Tell me about the planet you grew up on.
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
[Honestly, his desire to kiss her is probably bleeding over into her a bit and making her want it, too. They're really going to have to talk about this whole dyad thing and whether or not either one of them cares that it's probably the thing that's making them have feelings for one another. Or... blurring the lines between what they would have loved about one another on their own, at least.

But it's not a conversation that's going to happen this instant. Maybe it's selfish, but Rey doesn't want that answer yet. Or possibly ever. She lets herself take in his memory, the beauty and the wistful feeling about it and yes, the underlying loneliness. She'll try to send back a gentle nudge of reassurance even before he changes the subject.]


You're terrible; what a rude question. [She's laughing, though.]

Just for the record, I don't usually want to airlock my friends, but Threepio is... really, really annoying.

[And this is really not fair, because now she can't actually think of much to ask him that will maintain the light mood. And she hasn't truly laughed in... at least sixteen days. Probably more. But she doesn't want to touch upon topics that will make him think about any of the following: his childhood, his parents, his uncle, Snoke, the First Order, dying, coming back to life, or...

Wait. Inspiration time.]


"What color would you want your new lightsaber to be?"

[She's truly not going to try to convince him to join the Jedi Order if he doesn't want to; she's not even sure she's actually going to rebuild it yet. That had just been thinking fast in order to keep Ben from getting killed. But she supposes he's thought about it the lightsaber question at least a little.]

BENJAMIN CHEWBACCA SOLO I STG

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Rey: *just quietly implodes*

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