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If you direct your attention to my conspiracy theory madness below about the original intended ("true") ending for Rise of Skywalker, it's a bit obvious that I'd like to play out scenarios where Ben does, in fact, survive the movie. The awkwardness around the Resistance and the entirety of space, Rey having to struggle with her desire to keep him safe at all costs vs her want to be open with her friends. And the both of them having to deal with the weight of the fact that Leia, Luke, and Han all sacrificed themselves for Ben. And the residual C-PTSD from this entire goddamn trilogy. also what color is ur lightsaber ben

Okay seriously tho. How pissed would poe be to find out leia gave her life to that piece of shit Kylo Ren? Also every time Rey or Ben thinks "oh we can just go talk to Le---" and then that sad piano music from scrubs plays.

Sad Lonely Housewife Ben Solo. With a black frilly Apron. I'm only partially joking

I'd actually dig something where he remains dead/gone for longer than just a few seconds. Like. Leia takes a bit to reboot into "Second Birth Of My Child" metaphor. It could take a few hours or even a few days and in the mean time Rey's just collapsing in on herself about everything away from all her friends. Isolating herself and "Oh wait. what the fuck. HE'S BACK"

Planet hopping with Ben and Rey on the "how the fuck do we even restart the Jedi Order" bus!!! Maybe they steal the falcon from Lando. Unsure how to justify it. Just know I want Han's son to swoop in and take the ship back because can Lando be all that mad about it tho?

Speaking of, how the fuck would Chewbacca and Lando feel about Leia's final sacrifice? Would they help Rey smuggle Ben while the galaxy celebrates his death? Would there be time limits or stipulations? Or maybe they're the first ones to figure out what Rey is hiding and what is that confrontation like?

For scenarios which follow along with the 'theatrical'/canon ending as it were. Rey absolutely losing her shit over Ben's death and he attempts to comfort her. Unsure that will work well, but that's the fun of RP. Her questioning whether it was him or a product of her imagination. And just her absolute inability to cope with the other half of her dead.

Rey goes Dark to get Ben back. Possibly against his wishes. He wants her to move on, she can't, she refuses. Time travel is always an option for this shit. And if she's successful, would Ben realize something's wrong? And if he figured out what she did.... would he actually care?

Alternate universe theories. Like not traditional AU, but through some Force fuckery a rift between the movie's canon and the intended ending occur. Rey finds Ben in this rift and just the absolute emotional meltdown that will occur from there.

Forcebond shenanigans, ofc.
Forbidden relationship bullshit is just part of the package ig
Arranged marriage is also just A++
Also now that we know how the fuck close Ben was to turning nearly the entire fucking time finding any other canon point and just fucking the entire timeline up
Ben actually HELPING the Resistance take down Palps before yeeting himself at Rey.
Ben having to wait awkwardly 15 ft away as Finn and Poe screech at Rey about her Supreme Leader Secret and Rose is just trying to do her best for everyone

No seriously. Can we kill off C3P0 for real?????

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โœจ The True Ending โœจ


Welcome one. Welcome all. I have brought all of you here today to say that YOU WERE LIED AND DECEIVED BY THE FORCES OF HOLLYWOOD AND UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. 'How?' You ask. And yes. I shall answer. It is simple:
The ending of the Rise of Skywalker was wrong

Wait. Excuse me. WHAT THE FUCK?
You read correctly, dear friends. Someone fucked with the editing of Rise of Skywalker and it changed the entire ending of the movie. It changed the characterization of three key characters and it's clear this was against the creator's wishes. I'll be breaking this down into a few key sections. What were the changes, Why I believe these changes were made (and made last minute), and do I consider this ending more or less canon then the theatrical ending. So. JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE FRIEND

The plot changes/editing change
It's fairly simple. They changed Leia's role in the plot, this changed the entire direction of the last few minutes of the movie. Let me break the timeline down
โ€” Deathstar fight on the ocean still happens, Ben is distracted by Leia reaching out to him. She either still enters her "disappointment son" coma here, or perhaps simply just reaches out to him.
โ€” From here, the plot continues as normal. Ben and Rey both get to the sith rave separately.
โ€” Rey Dies
โ€” Ben Revives her and dies.
โ€” Leia chooses THIS MOMENT to die and give her life to her son
โ€” Ben is revived. He and Rey kiss.
โ€” Move to conclusion

WHAT EVIDENCE DO I HAVE THESE CHANGES WERE MADE (and at the last moment)
Take in note, my evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence still counts as proof
โ€” Leia's final role in the movie is insanely unclear. She also takes 12 hours to actually die or something. Again. Confusing
โ€” Ben's final words, as of this moment, are "OW". Adam Driver said he was nervous about his final dialogue in the movie to the point he stressed about it on the flight over. And. Man. IDK about you but OW seems a little unstressful to say
โ€” There was no Force Ghost Ben, a decision that is baffling story wise. It would take any competent VFX team hardly any effort to throw a ghostly adam driver next to Leia and Luke. And this would be advantageous to add to the plot if Ben was going to die, give that final bit of closure to the Skywalker fam.
โ€” Rey's near LACK of emotion over his death. Go watch her realize she has to leave Ben behind in TLJ and tell me that the difference isn't noticeable. It's completely against her character.
โ€” The weird beats of Leia going into her disappointment son coma and the other strange beats of Ben's death. Especially the fact that you only see him disappear in like. one shot.
โ€” None of the cast thought he was going to die
โ€” Wow I wonder why Adam Driver is adamant about never wanting to do star wars at this point?
โ€” Wow, why does disney keep resetting the character poll of who is the most anticipated character of this movie????
โ€” The prophecy about Ben's death is completely unnecessary at this point. If it was brought up during TFA, it's understandable to put that thread there. Instead it's in the last movie when his death seems to be a foregone conclusion???
โ€” So Rey's fine for Luke and Leia even tho she's palpatines kid, but Luke and Leia don't seem all that bothered by Ben's death??????
โ€” This was supposed to be Leia's film and complete her arc. And while I understand that there was a lack of footage to use for her, it's odd that she ended up not playing much of a role beyond "Distract Ben so he gets stabbed ig"
โ€” Every single hole in characterization for Luke, Leia, and Rey, every strange beat that didn't really make sense in Ben and Rey's fight on the ocean and during their ??? Mutual deaths???? and the some how rushed and dragged on ending can be solved by a simple solution. Occam's razor, Ben was never meant to die permanently.

โ€” The fact that there was no final dialogue for Ben after his talk with his father suggests he had something significant to say after his resurrection
โ€” The fact that they didn't have a cut of Rey absolutely LOSING HER MIND over losing to, what amounts to, the other half of her soul suggests that she was never supposed to lose him permanently
โ€” The fact that there is no Ben Ghost means that they didn't have the time to slip that in before pushing it out to theaters
โ€” The way the final scenes with Rey are shot and edited are, again, weird, off balance. It seems like it ends WAY TOO QUICKLY and far too on the nose.
โ€” no but really guys. His final words are "OW"
โ€” As for WHO changed it, because of the fact that this is clearly an edit job done at the last minute? I'm putting my money on a CEO that is above Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrhrams. I think their hands are tied ATM. This is the ending that had been planned for, this is the ending they wanted, otherwise there would not be such big holes that felt weird and dishonest to the characters. And, like, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was JJ's child, he wouldn't have done him dirty like this.\

THEATRICAL ENDING/TRUE ENDING
I'm sure opinions would be divided on which ending is canon depending on the person. The theatrical ending will be what's considered canon in the universe of star wars at large. For myself, I find it hard to deny the creators and filmmakers the right to present the story they wanted to tell. So, in that way, both endings are true for me. Though, I am biased-- both as someone who is an artist myself and someone who adores Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's character-- I like the story the film team were trying to tell over the agenda that whoever pushed for these changes had. Personally, I believe it pushes Star Wars as a universe forward into new territory rather than keep it stagnant in the same old same old that it's always been. Plus. this maintains the integrity of Luke, Leia, and Rey's characters, Ben was never forgotten, far too gone, or unloved. Leia gave him one final gift, a second chance.

That said, I'm not pushing this ending on anyone. I won't be playing it by default. I would rather ask permission or have someone else bring it up.


Sin Bin aka triggery bullshit

So no surprise. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo comes with a pile of situations that are. Questionable. this is just a short heads up section for anyone curious about what I'm willing to delve into:

- I'm a-okay playing out non/dubcon. However, this has to be discussed beforehand, especially if Kylo will be the aggressor. He's shown no sexual interest in anyone besides, Rey. He's not gonna be the weird Shoujo trope of "The troubled dude who just goes around molesting gals because he's got an itch to scratch". That ain't his MO. Rey is different because.... forcebond. However, depending on his canon point he will be more or less willing to ignore her consent. And after a certain point? He'd probably be rendered completely incapable of ignoring her consent. I imagine ForceBonds do not like when one half just kinda takes advantage of the other.

- On that note. I consider Kylo an abuse survivor. The abuse inflicted upon him was physical, emotional, and spiritual. I don't play or think of this as he was physically violated in a sexual capcity, but that his soul was constantly from the time he was even conceived until Palpatine's death. His thoughts and his desires truly were not his own, sexual desire was another way of control over him.

- I'm cool with him being taken advantage of. But expect not great results unless you some how get him to not force choke you as soon as you touch him okay

- Oh and this also means that he is prone to getting a little panicked when someone takes the reigns from him suddenly. So. JusT BE AWARE.

- if this shit ain't G for you? Please tell me and I can try to work with you.

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someone's gotta have placed a bet on how long it would take them to say it

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey can sort of tell he's barely holding it together and that's really starting to make her angrier at herself because it is a sad state of affairs when Kylo Ren has his shit more together than you do.

So what she's going to do is cling to him just as tightly and somehow gather up every single ounce of calm the Force will grant her, and just try to let everything. else. stop. For both of them, if she can. She's never been as good as keeping him out of her head, so for once she tries to use that to her advantage.]


I love you, too.

[It's muffled against his shirt (and dear sweet kriffing mercy he's gotta burn that shirt when he's done wearing it) and she's not even 100% sure she said it so much as let her entire being feel it. Because it's somehow everything that's been wrong and the only way to fix it. She doesn't have anything else.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
[Something in that admission does break her a little bit, but not in a destructive way. More in the way that sometimes a broken bone has to be broken again and reset.

Rey has... literally waited most of her life to hear those words.

From a distance, she's able to look back on her parents and understand why they'd chosen the way they did -- it's a desperate set of choices that causes you to sell your child into slavery to preserve her life. But she's lived for years and years waiting for someone, anyone, to come back for her. To promise not to leave her again. To tell them they're sorry. And instead, people kept leaving and leaving and leaving and it's some sort of miracle she hasn't lost her mind sooner than this.

So it's probably fairly understandable when those words draw a choked-off sob out of her. (She's not going to fall apart entirely again. She's not. Just give her a second to snuffle into your filthy shirt for another second or two before she can find a way to reply.)]


I know. I'm sorry I'm... like this.

[Honestly, "I'm sorry I'm like this" would have been a good title for a mixtape from Kylo Ren to Rey about a year ago, but there's absolutely no irony in her statement at the moment. She just wants to reassure him that she's not always going to be this way. Give her a few nights in a row of decent sleep and don't die again on her and she'll probably be the Rey you remember.]

Where do we go from here?

[Chewie is probably telling everyone via overemphatic sign-language that everything's more or less fine, not that it helps anyone understand exactly what the entire fuck is going on in general.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey listens and nods, and after giving herself a minute to just. Exist. She sighs and reluctantly pulls away from Ben so she can try to arrange herself into something resembling a functional human again. Starting with getting rid of the too-large shirt and tossing it back to Ben with a look of why??? am I wearing this???? and making a solid attempt at getting her hair under control.

It's... not great, but better. But once she feels like she's even a little bit ready to do this, she'll check in with Ben and then tell Chewie to get the others. She knows there are things that they're going to have to hear from her, even though they're all that's left of Ben's family and she wants to give them space to deal with one another however they need to.

Once everyone's assembled (and she's still going to put herself in between Ben and Jannah as subtly as she can without making a big thing out of it) she'll start with the thing she needs to make clear before all the rest of it can fall into place.]


The first thing you need to understand, before we go any further, is that Ben stood with me against Palpatine on Exegol. He saved me. He sacrificed himself for me, and it was Leia's final gift that brought him back.

[She knows that Lando and Chewie will at least kinda understand, but this is something she needs to be made clear to the entire Resistance from the outset. Speaking of which.]

The second thing is that if anyone thinks they're going to seek retribution by killing him again, they're as good as killing me, too.

[She can't look at Ben as she says it because if she does she absolutely will break again, and right now she's calm and clear-eyed and determined, and she'll make an attempt to explain about the Force dyad as best she can and answer as many of the technical questions behind what actually happened here yesterday before turning the floor over to Ben, who deserves a chance to speak for himself.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey doesn't realize shit.

Well, that's not true. Rey has had a lot of time alone with those Jedi texts. A lot. Of time. And there's a decent amount of history in there. A lot of precedents to consider when attempting to reform a New Jedi Order.

So Rey's gonna put a pin in the Naboo question for a minute while she backs up Ben's previous statement, which she'd nearly rebutted with it's not murder if I think they deserve it, which, thank goodness she realizes before that thought even fully coalesces that it's the fucking Dark Side talking. No wonder this woman's soulmate was Kylo Ren. Sheesh.]


"No one's turning anybody over to the Resistance or anyone else. And if you press me on this, allow me to remind you all that the Jedi Order has authority to recruit whatever Force users it sees fit, especially in times when the existence of the Order itself is threatened. Neither the Republic nor the Resistance has any authority over the Jedi Council, which at the moment consists of... me."

[Rey stares Jannah down with a cool equanimity. She's not going to rage at anybody, but she's not entertaining any arguments on the matter at this time. She won't force Ben into a role he doesn't want, but she's not letting him be locked up.

That said, her rational brain has had time to catch up with her about-to-fuck-shit-up brain, and she turns to blink at Ben.]


"Naboo? Why Naboo?"
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
[The name jars something loose in Rey's memory and the wheels start to turn. Padme Amidala; of course. She'd been almost universally beloved by her people and was well respected during her time in the Senate. Her death had been a tragedy; killed by Anakin Skywalker during his turn to the Dark. Leia had caught Rey up on some of this, though it had been understandably painful for her and Rey hadn't pressed for too many details.

But.

BUT.

Somehow her brain is sort of catching up to what this means and she kind of has no idea how to take the fact that her former Supreme Leader and current zombie boyfriend is actually still kind of a literal Disney prince.]


Wait.

[She holds up a hand for everyone to just stop and fucking back this train up so the sleep-deprived manic Jedi can hop on. She turns to look at Ben, silently reassessing him in some nebulous way.]

Do either the Naboo people or the remaining Alderaanians claim you as one of their royal line? Would they acknowledge the claim if you made it, even as a temporary measure?

[There is another possibility forming somewhere in the back of her mind, but it is absolutely not one that she's going to voice or entertain on any level. Her grandfather's legacy is not something she's willing to exploit. Not even for this. She wouldn't even know where to begin if she wanted to.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey's going to turn that question over to Lando, then. Literally anyone in this room except possibly Jannah would have a better idea of the possibilities.]

We just need options. Some room to think.

[Then, to Ben,]

You don't have to decide now. I'm just not taking you before a Resistance that wants you dead without a plan of some sort.

[Unless he wants her to get even less sleep because she's guarding him from constant assassination attempts.

Lando, for his part, is muttering something about calling in some important favors just for the information they'd need to determine if Ben's claim to a title would be accepted, and if a title would even be a deterrent to those who wanted a harsh justice served.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey... doesn't know what she wants more between food and sleep, but she's been living in the literal dust for two weeks and Ben's back from the dead, so just a little bit of self-consciousness is kicking in. Not a lot, honestly. But she's not snuggling back up to undead boyfriend until she's had a shower and a change of clothes.

It would be good if Ben changed clothes, too. Death shirt is kinda hot and all that but again: death. shirt. She needs to stop seeing him die over and over again in her head every time she lets her mind land there.

Rey manages to communicate her need for cleanliness in some half-coherent fashion before leaving everyone else to sort out their own lives. Let someone who's had more than a few hours' sleep in a row figure out the food question.

Also, she's not gonna tell you what to do, Ben. She doesn't actually care where they sleep as long as it's you and her in one room where they can shut the door on everyone else.

She's just gonna. Disappear into the fresher for a while. I have no idea if their showers produce actual water but once again this is my imagination so I'm gonna go with fuck it, yes, because this is the quality content you're here for. Wet Rey. Trying her best to let the hot water overtake all her other senses for a little while.]



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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
[When Rey emerges, she is dressed in some sort of bathrobe because she wasn't putting her sand-infused clothes back on and everything else she owns is in her bag. Which is also full of sand and just... she feels about 45% more human now that she's clean. Let's not ruin it.

Her hair is also down out of the messy buns and she's working out some of the more stubborn snarls with a hairbrush she's managed to find as she steps back into the room. She spares Ben about half a second's glance before her eyes land on the fruit. There is fruit. Do you know how rarely in her life Rey got to have fruit???

Sorry, Ben, but you're currently second place to a weird purple pear-shaped thing, which Rey is going to eat like it's the absolute last piece of food in existence. It's probably either really gross or really sexy depending upon what you're into, but Rey is incredibly unconcerned with anything else for a few minutes. She's probably got purple pear juice all over her mouth and is chewing really unglamourously by the time she remembers Ben even still exists on the same plane of reality.]


So that... went okay, I think?
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-22 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
[Considering they've killed people together on more than one occasion, yeah. That went better than usual. No one died; call it a win.

Rey will not need much encouragement to eat, though she's been neglecting food for a bit and yeah, she's probably a little more angular than she had been. But the shower and the change of scenery have helped, as has Ben's continued existence. And they've got some options. Breathing room.

Rey shakes her head and offers him a little smile.]


I'm fine. I'll be here.

[She figures he needs the shower to feel something approaching human again, too. So she's content to eat some more of the real, actual food and then settle herself directly in the center of the bed where she'll resume trying to brush the knots out of her hair and wait for Ben to return.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
[Gosh. Ben in a tank top is A Look. Rey's going to try not to stare too hard but it's a challenge.

She'll slide over a bit to give him room to sit but she's really not all that concerned with being any further from him than strictly necessary. On the one hand, this is all very surreal and very new, but on the other, she's 97% certain that Ben's nearness is the only reason she's this calm.]


Hi.

[How is it that Rey can expend way too many words on literally every other aspect of what's gone down recently, but saying two in a row to Ben is near impossible? Is this ever going to get easier? Are they just going to have to make out, bang, and fight without ever saying anything?

Questions for the ages, honestly. But right now she's got herself together enough that she thinks she really ought to check in with Ben.]


How are you, really? That was all... a lot.

[There's a gentle inquiry that she'll send along their bond; she's not going to push him for anything he doesn't want to reveal. She just wants him to know she's not going to fall apart anymore so it's okay if he needs to.]

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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
[Oh. That's.

Well, this is surreal. Whatever Rey had expected, she really did not expect Ben Solo to start brushing her hair. Like. This should honestly be the last of his concerns. It's barely one of her concerns.

But it's really, really nice. She'll lean back into him a little, not so much that she interferes with the brushing, however. It's soothing, and she could honestly fall asleep again if he keeps doing that.

But then he's talking about his father, and she turns her head just a little to glance back at him when he does. Just to acknowledge that she knows what that admission costs.]


I'm glad.

[A pause, and then, softer,]

Your parents loved you very much, Ben. You have to know that.

[Does he? Surely he must by now. There's no hint of judgment in it; she just wants him to know that he was and is loved, whatever his crimes had been.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-23 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey gets it, the meticulousess. How having something focused to do with your hands can make some of the noise go away. Building and tinkering with things wasn't just a way to have any sort of life as a scavenger. It was a mental focus, one that kept her from wasting away from sheer boredom but also helped to drive away anxiety in her worst moments.

She would have been a small child the last time anyone else touched her hair. She hadn't realized it was something she would find so calming and honestly, so necessary right now. They both needed that contact; little ways to get more familiar with one another. Which was an odd thing to think about someone who was somehow your mystical other half, but. Nothing about the two of them had been ordinary.

She almost laughs in surprise and just... sheer confusion at the nature of his question. It doesn't exactly offend her, but she has to bite down her first defensive instinct to protest that she's not nervous.

But. I mean. Dude.

When you first met her you kidnapped her, and you've been kind of consistently intense ever since. She loves you, but that's a whole confusing thing in its own right. And you just keep jumping around all over the place and skipping the steps that normal people take before getting to the point where you're brushing her goddamn hair and just.

Your question is too difficult and also a little unfair, Ben.]


I told you it's hard to know how to be around you. We've barely had anything that counts as an actual conversation.

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