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the human embodiment of the arthur meme ([personal profile] vaderstan) wrote in [community profile] literaldumpsterfire2020-01-04 09:58 am

i got some bad new for u if u r trying to avoid RoS spoilers

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If you direct your attention to my conspiracy theory madness below about the original intended ("true") ending for Rise of Skywalker, it's a bit obvious that I'd like to play out scenarios where Ben does, in fact, survive the movie. The awkwardness around the Resistance and the entirety of space, Rey having to struggle with her desire to keep him safe at all costs vs her want to be open with her friends. And the both of them having to deal with the weight of the fact that Leia, Luke, and Han all sacrificed themselves for Ben. And the residual C-PTSD from this entire goddamn trilogy. also what color is ur lightsaber ben

Okay seriously tho. How pissed would poe be to find out leia gave her life to that piece of shit Kylo Ren? Also every time Rey or Ben thinks "oh we can just go talk to Le---" and then that sad piano music from scrubs plays.

Sad Lonely Housewife Ben Solo. With a black frilly Apron. I'm only partially joking

I'd actually dig something where he remains dead/gone for longer than just a few seconds. Like. Leia takes a bit to reboot into "Second Birth Of My Child" metaphor. It could take a few hours or even a few days and in the mean time Rey's just collapsing in on herself about everything away from all her friends. Isolating herself and "Oh wait. what the fuck. HE'S BACK"

Planet hopping with Ben and Rey on the "how the fuck do we even restart the Jedi Order" bus!!! Maybe they steal the falcon from Lando. Unsure how to justify it. Just know I want Han's son to swoop in and take the ship back because can Lando be all that mad about it tho?

Speaking of, how the fuck would Chewbacca and Lando feel about Leia's final sacrifice? Would they help Rey smuggle Ben while the galaxy celebrates his death? Would there be time limits or stipulations? Or maybe they're the first ones to figure out what Rey is hiding and what is that confrontation like?

For scenarios which follow along with the 'theatrical'/canon ending as it were. Rey absolutely losing her shit over Ben's death and he attempts to comfort her. Unsure that will work well, but that's the fun of RP. Her questioning whether it was him or a product of her imagination. And just her absolute inability to cope with the other half of her dead.

Rey goes Dark to get Ben back. Possibly against his wishes. He wants her to move on, she can't, she refuses. Time travel is always an option for this shit. And if she's successful, would Ben realize something's wrong? And if he figured out what she did.... would he actually care?

Alternate universe theories. Like not traditional AU, but through some Force fuckery a rift between the movie's canon and the intended ending occur. Rey finds Ben in this rift and just the absolute emotional meltdown that will occur from there.

Forcebond shenanigans, ofc.
Forbidden relationship bullshit is just part of the package ig
Arranged marriage is also just A++
Also now that we know how the fuck close Ben was to turning nearly the entire fucking time finding any other canon point and just fucking the entire timeline up
Ben actually HELPING the Resistance take down Palps before yeeting himself at Rey.
Ben having to wait awkwardly 15 ft away as Finn and Poe screech at Rey about her Supreme Leader Secret and Rose is just trying to do her best for everyone

No seriously. Can we kill off C3P0 for real?????

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โœจ The True Ending โœจ


Welcome one. Welcome all. I have brought all of you here today to say that YOU WERE LIED AND DECEIVED BY THE FORCES OF HOLLYWOOD AND UNCHECKED CAPITALISM. 'How?' You ask. And yes. I shall answer. It is simple:
The ending of the Rise of Skywalker was wrong

Wait. Excuse me. WHAT THE FUCK?
You read correctly, dear friends. Someone fucked with the editing of Rise of Skywalker and it changed the entire ending of the movie. It changed the characterization of three key characters and it's clear this was against the creator's wishes. I'll be breaking this down into a few key sections. What were the changes, Why I believe these changes were made (and made last minute), and do I consider this ending more or less canon then the theatrical ending. So. JOIN ME ON THIS ADVENTURE FRIEND

The plot changes/editing change
It's fairly simple. They changed Leia's role in the plot, this changed the entire direction of the last few minutes of the movie. Let me break the timeline down
โ€” Deathstar fight on the ocean still happens, Ben is distracted by Leia reaching out to him. She either still enters her "disappointment son" coma here, or perhaps simply just reaches out to him.
โ€” From here, the plot continues as normal. Ben and Rey both get to the sith rave separately.
โ€” Rey Dies
โ€” Ben Revives her and dies.
โ€” Leia chooses THIS MOMENT to die and give her life to her son
โ€” Ben is revived. He and Rey kiss.
โ€” Move to conclusion

WHAT EVIDENCE DO I HAVE THESE CHANGES WERE MADE (and at the last moment)
Take in note, my evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence still counts as proof
โ€” Leia's final role in the movie is insanely unclear. She also takes 12 hours to actually die or something. Again. Confusing
โ€” Ben's final words, as of this moment, are "OW". Adam Driver said he was nervous about his final dialogue in the movie to the point he stressed about it on the flight over. And. Man. IDK about you but OW seems a little unstressful to say
โ€” There was no Force Ghost Ben, a decision that is baffling story wise. It would take any competent VFX team hardly any effort to throw a ghostly adam driver next to Leia and Luke. And this would be advantageous to add to the plot if Ben was going to die, give that final bit of closure to the Skywalker fam.
โ€” Rey's near LACK of emotion over his death. Go watch her realize she has to leave Ben behind in TLJ and tell me that the difference isn't noticeable. It's completely against her character.
โ€” The weird beats of Leia going into her disappointment son coma and the other strange beats of Ben's death. Especially the fact that you only see him disappear in like. one shot.
โ€” None of the cast thought he was going to die
โ€” Wow I wonder why Adam Driver is adamant about never wanting to do star wars at this point?
โ€” Wow, why does disney keep resetting the character poll of who is the most anticipated character of this movie????
โ€” The prophecy about Ben's death is completely unnecessary at this point. If it was brought up during TFA, it's understandable to put that thread there. Instead it's in the last movie when his death seems to be a foregone conclusion???
โ€” So Rey's fine for Luke and Leia even tho she's palpatines kid, but Luke and Leia don't seem all that bothered by Ben's death??????
โ€” This was supposed to be Leia's film and complete her arc. And while I understand that there was a lack of footage to use for her, it's odd that she ended up not playing much of a role beyond "Distract Ben so he gets stabbed ig"
โ€” Every single hole in characterization for Luke, Leia, and Rey, every strange beat that didn't really make sense in Ben and Rey's fight on the ocean and during their ??? Mutual deaths???? and the some how rushed and dragged on ending can be solved by a simple solution. Occam's razor, Ben was never meant to die permanently.

โ€” The fact that there was no final dialogue for Ben after his talk with his father suggests he had something significant to say after his resurrection
โ€” The fact that they didn't have a cut of Rey absolutely LOSING HER MIND over losing to, what amounts to, the other half of her soul suggests that she was never supposed to lose him permanently
โ€” The fact that there is no Ben Ghost means that they didn't have the time to slip that in before pushing it out to theaters
โ€” The way the final scenes with Rey are shot and edited are, again, weird, off balance. It seems like it ends WAY TOO QUICKLY and far too on the nose.
โ€” no but really guys. His final words are "OW"
โ€” As for WHO changed it, because of the fact that this is clearly an edit job done at the last minute? I'm putting my money on a CEO that is above Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrhrams. I think their hands are tied ATM. This is the ending that had been planned for, this is the ending they wanted, otherwise there would not be such big holes that felt weird and dishonest to the characters. And, like, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo was JJ's child, he wouldn't have done him dirty like this.\

THEATRICAL ENDING/TRUE ENDING
I'm sure opinions would be divided on which ending is canon depending on the person. The theatrical ending will be what's considered canon in the universe of star wars at large. For myself, I find it hard to deny the creators and filmmakers the right to present the story they wanted to tell. So, in that way, both endings are true for me. Though, I am biased-- both as someone who is an artist myself and someone who adores Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's character-- I like the story the film team were trying to tell over the agenda that whoever pushed for these changes had. Personally, I believe it pushes Star Wars as a universe forward into new territory rather than keep it stagnant in the same old same old that it's always been. Plus. this maintains the integrity of Luke, Leia, and Rey's characters, Ben was never forgotten, far too gone, or unloved. Leia gave him one final gift, a second chance.

That said, I'm not pushing this ending on anyone. I won't be playing it by default. I would rather ask permission or have someone else bring it up.


Sin Bin aka triggery bullshit

So no surprise. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo comes with a pile of situations that are. Questionable. this is just a short heads up section for anyone curious about what I'm willing to delve into:

- I'm a-okay playing out non/dubcon. However, this has to be discussed beforehand, especially if Kylo will be the aggressor. He's shown no sexual interest in anyone besides, Rey. He's not gonna be the weird Shoujo trope of "The troubled dude who just goes around molesting gals because he's got an itch to scratch". That ain't his MO. Rey is different because.... forcebond. However, depending on his canon point he will be more or less willing to ignore her consent. And after a certain point? He'd probably be rendered completely incapable of ignoring her consent. I imagine ForceBonds do not like when one half just kinda takes advantage of the other.

- On that note. I consider Kylo an abuse survivor. The abuse inflicted upon him was physical, emotional, and spiritual. I don't play or think of this as he was physically violated in a sexual capcity, but that his soul was constantly from the time he was even conceived until Palpatine's death. His thoughts and his desires truly were not his own, sexual desire was another way of control over him.

- I'm cool with him being taken advantage of. But expect not great results unless you some how get him to not force choke you as soon as you touch him okay

- Oh and this also means that he is prone to getting a little panicked when someone takes the reigns from him suddenly. So. JusT BE AWARE.

- if this shit ain't G for you? Please tell me and I can try to work with you.

jedied: and doesn't make a sound (39)

rey: I did ALL THAT and no Ben????

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
[Well that's just --

GREAT.

Rey is once again left sitting in the middle of Force-forsaken nowhere after having a frustrating conversation with Luke Skywalker's Force ghost and she doesn't even have any ships to set on fire.

She's also pretty exhausted, having not prepared for any of that in any way. She makes a mental note to send Lando a message in the morning, and hopefully by then she will have figured out what to make it say beyond a series of curse words and question marks.

For now, she's just going to pick up Leia's lightsaber (and Luke's, too, since she's too wary of all that just happened to bury them again like none of that had ever happened) and wrap them back up carefully before heading back inside the former Lars residence.

She's not sure she'll be getting much sleep, but in the end sheer mental and physical exhaustion win out and she's in a deep and dreamless place until sometime the next day.]
jedied: slipping out of time (49)

I DIED but also have some self-indulgent fluff.

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey's first reaction to BB-8's incessant chirps is, indeed, to aggressively ignore them. She doesn't care. She truly, deeply does not care. She's sleepy and warm and inexplicably safe, and more than half-convinced that she's dreaming the kind of dream she hasn't dared to have possibly ever, but definitely not since Exegol. Somehow she'd subconsciously known that waking from a dream like that would break her.

At some point, however, the rational part of her brain kicks in and she freezes, tensing instinctually because why is someone in her bed and why is she mostly-if-not-entirely on top of them and oh holy fuck I've definitely lost my mind, that's it, this is the way to the Dark Side, I've been on the desert planet too long, time to call Lando and GTFO of here.

And then there's the entire rest of her spirit which calms itself upon hearing the soft whispered command and having woken entirely to find Ben Solo still here, somehow, and looking peaceful in a way that almost turns her right back around to thinking it's a dream.

Her brain isn't quite ready to comprehend. But the Force knows, and she allows it to guide her.

She's wanted to do this for far, far longer than she'll ever allow herself to fully admit.

She allows herself just a moment to simply take in the sight of him; to tentatively brush her fingertips over his hair which is as soft as she's always imagined.

And then, improbably -- a kiss, because this is a Disney fairytale even if things are bound to go horribly awry again later -- a gentle meeting of her lips upon his, as the Force sings through the Dyad that is once again fully realized.]


Wake up, Ben. Come back to me.
jedied: I can see no way (27)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
Hi.

[She smiles down at him with a look of soft wonder and -- honestly, she's kind of a mess right now, all things considered. This is not neatly put-together vision of badass Jedi competence Rey.

This is Rey the filthy sand gremlin, which admittedly isn't really how she would have wanted him to see her. Her hair's a mess and she's probably been sleeping in the same thing she wore yesterday and there's sand under her fingernails and honestly she looks like she hasn't slept in a week despite having just woken up.

But, you know. It's a step up from either one of them being dead.]


Are you... how do you feel?


jedied: nowhere to run from this (14)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey's trying to formulate even a halfway succinct version of events, because she doesn't want to recount it in excruciating detail right now any more than or either one of them wants to wait for food and possibly a shower (though good luck; on the one hand it's a moisture farm but on the other it's the desert, so sonic it probably is.)

Unfortunately for Ben, the explanation is going to have to wait, because there's BB-8 making a clear and present threat of himself and Rey, in her current state of overprotective hypervigilance, comes within seconds of Force-throwing the little droid across the room. She won't be telling Poe what a near thing that was.

Instead she finds she's launched herself off the bed to put herself directly between the angry droid and Ben Solo, and has both hands out in a gesture that is somehow both defensive and placating, she hopes.]


BB-8, stop. It's fine. He's not a threat.

[The droid seems to hesitate, but still seems on the verge of using that taser on one or possibly now both of them, since Rey has clearly been compromised.]

I promise. Can you give us a minute?

[She needs at least a minute to get her heart to stop pounding in her chest because what she really didn't need was the life startled half out of her by a small angry droid first thing in the morning while trying to explain her space husband's return from the dead.]
jedied: the first to fall (3)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 10:45 am (UTC)(link)
[Rey takes a moment to snag a water canteen from where it's looped around the back of a chair, unscrews the cap and takes a drink -- she can't tell if her mouth is dry from sleep or sand or nerves -- before handing it to Ben. Being dead probably makes you thirsty.

Right. Explanations. There is... no good way to begin. She suddenly doesn't even know where to be. As much as she would like to return to her former state of touching Ben, she's kind of spooked right now and the stress of the last few days (weeks) is catching up to her. And there's always the risk that BB-8's going to change his mind and stage an intervention. Which she probably needs, because there's no way this is actually happening? What do mental breakdowns feel like? Probably this.]


So. You were dead.

[This is off to a great start.]

Leia brought you back. I don't know how, exactly -- something had gone wrong in the Force and she was caught. You both were, maybe? I don't-- I helped her yesterday, her and Luke, and they said you'd be fine but I didn't know that meant you'd be here--

[Honestly Rey seems like she's having some sort of delayed panic reaction to yesterday and possibly all of it. All she can think is you weren't in the Force and I left you in between and underneath every word and suddenly it's entirely too hard to breathe or keep talking.]



jedied: this is a gift (52)

in which Rey is unhelpful

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey is not doing especially great at keeping herself upright either, her legs threatening to collapse under her in some combination of relief and shock and entirely too much emotion. Her arms move nearly of their own accord to wrap around his waist and she just clings to him for a moment until the planet feels like it isn't going to fly apart beneath her.

She'd be crying tears of stress and overwhelm right now if she could, but there's some part of her that just... can't. She's been on autopilot for weeks now, just carrying herself along from day to day as she had on Jakku because that was how you survived. She couldn't fall apart back on Ajan Kloss because there were eyes on her constantly, looking to her to be the symbol of hope they thought they'd lost. And there'd been no point in emotions here, no more than there had been on Jakku. The desert didn't care.

So she's still feeling a bit distant from herself right now, and that will probably catch up with her a bit later. Once she figures out what all this means and what, practically, there is to do.

Step two will be figuring out what to tell Lando, and it's possible this turn of events will just add MORE cursing to her message instead of less.

For now she's going to take a moment and just. Breathe. Which is admittedly a little harder to do with her face buried in Ben Solo's chest, but she doesn't mind. He's warm and solid and real and she's not letting go just yet.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
[It takes a second or two for that offer to register, and while the beeping is admittedly not helping Rey's mental state, it also kind of is, because annoyance is a better emotion than the mess of other things that she's still trying to decide if she's safe enough to feel.]

What? No!

[She pulls away from Ben enough to shout over her shoulder at BB-8.]

I told you to stop it! Do anything else. Go send a message to Lando; tell him... [She hesitates; she's not sure she entirely trusts anyone with this message right now.] Tell him I'll check back in later on a secure channel and that he should be alone and sitting down when I do.

[That much taken care of, and with Ben taking some of her anxiety away, she's able to gather herself enough to try again with Ben.]

I'm fine. It's fine. [She's convincing nobody, probably.] Are you... all right?

[It's the dumbest thing in the world to ask because she's faiiiirrrrly certain neither one of them is all right, but he was just dead and that has to be a little bit challenging to deal with.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey is... a little hazy on how time works right now, honestly. The days had all seemed to run together into a monotony of things to do that didn't really matter because she wasn't sure how to make anything matter with a piece of her soul missing. She'd never even thought that was a real thing that could happen to actual living people. And then it had, and there was no handbook on how to deal with such a thing. You just had to. Keep moving.

And now here she was, suddenly able to feel everything again, unsure how much was her and how much was Ben and how much was just a normal human reaction to the absurdity of all that had transpired.

Right. Time. Rey does have to pull away from him fully then because it's just hard to think with him so close. Like thinking underwater. She takes over the rearranging of her own hair into its characteristic buns and frowns a little before giving her answer.


Two weeks, I think...?

[BB-8 interjects that it's been 16 days, four hours, three minutes and fifty-seven seconds, which Rey doesn't actually feel is a helpful addition because honestly who cares how long it's been when the thing you're talking about is how Ben. was. dead. It could have been five minutes or forever and Rey is pretty sure she'd still feel the same way.]
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space wife has suffered critical error, pls reboot

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
[The question just sort of... doesn't make sense on any level whatsoever, though she's dimly aware she's just asked him the same thing. At this rate they're just going to keep asking each other stupid questions that don't matter until one of them breaks and--

oh, yeah. I guess that's going to be Rey. Sorry, Ben.

It's not so much that she finds the question funny as she sort of finds the whole situation horrifyingly absurd.

And that's how she ends up sitting directly down on the sandy floor, stricken by hysterical giggles that start to cross over into huge gulping half-sobs as she struggles not to hyperventillate.

Honestly, Ben, she very much would like to keep it together for you right now, but she used up all her coping skills yesterday when she indirectly helped your mother haul you bodily back from the dead.]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey's just going to sob and cling for a little while, getting his brand new back-from-the-dead Force-made shirt all wet, probably, and also just sort of being a Rey-shaped octopus with how she's attempting to wrap all her limbs around him at once. Because Rey doesn't get how to do things by halves, and she thinks maybe if she can get as close to him as humanly possible it'll erase the last two weeks.

Eventually, though, she does allow the sound of his voice and the soothing motion of his hands on her back to calm her enough that she can lift her head to look at him.]


I'm sorry.

[She's not sure she's fallen this completely apart... ever. Not since she was a small child, and those memories are tucked so far back into the recesses of memory that she doesn't have them for frame of reference.

This isn't how she wants to react. She's sure he has more questions, and at present she's the only one equipped to answer them. She's calmer now, so she'll make an attempt to explain in a minute. Probably. She may even release him before she does that, because otherwise this conversation is going to be really weird???]
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[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[Rey smiles again at his dumb joke, but the impulse to fall back into that hysterical, overwhelmed sort of laughter has faded for the moment. He's just so different all of a sudden, but familiar all the same. This is the Ben Solo she'd glimpsed through blurry Force visions, the one she'd fallen in love with before she'd had time to consider whether or not doing so was even an option.

She's still half-smiling when he presses his lips to hers, and there's no hesitation when she returns the kiss with as much affection and acceptance as he's showing her. She hasn't yet remembered how to even slightly shut down the bond between them again, so it's possible he can feel just how overwhelmingly safe and right this feels to her.

It's possible she'll be entirely content to just keep kissing Ben Solo for a while. Like. That's pretty much the level on which she feels capable of operating. Kissing: yes. Explaining how she kind of lost her mind for two weeks straight and ran away to the desert and slowly went feral? Not so much.]
jedied: here to relive (25)

[personal profile] jedied 2020-01-20 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
[Is it really codependency if the other person is literally the other half of you on some mystical Force-sanctioned level? And how exactly does one begin to consider a healthy relationship with someone you've arguably tried to kill more than once? Rey doesn't have any sort of model whatsoever for relationships of any kind, honestly, so these are not actually questions that concern her.

Ben's question, however... she considers. She's honestly not sure. He'd already done the most important thing, and that was really mostly Leia's doing.

At some point she's stopped clinging to him quite so tightly, but now she just presses her palm flat against his chest, feeling his heartbeat strong and solid beneath it.]


Just be real.

[She remembers the horrible incomprehension that she felt watching him fade away in front of her last time. She's not entirely convinced that this isn't some complete break with reality or a dream she's about to wake up from. The only thing acting to combat that possibility is the sense of everything having shifted into better clarity, as though she'd been experiencing life through a glass pane for weeks and suddenly been able to step through.]

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in which Rey is a vicious tease.

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Rey: *just quietly implodes*

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writes an entire speech

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coping skills: n o p e.

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these icons ruin everything lmfao

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